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==Definition== |
==Definition== |
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Throttle cut is any condition which causes the ECU to reduce the throttle |
Throttle cut is any condition which causes the ECU to reduce the throttle plate angle, even if the actual accelerator pedal potentiometer is at WOT. |
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The two main causes of throttle cut are |
The two main causes of throttle cut are |
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;ESP activity (a.k.a. traction control): The ECU senses that one or more wheels are losing traction. It does this if ESP is enabled and the ABS wheel sensors show a large discrepancy in wheel speeds. |
;ESP activity (a.k.a. traction control): The ECU senses that one or more wheels are losing traction. It does this if ESP is enabled and the ABS wheel sensors show a large discrepancy in wheel speeds. |
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;Negative boost deviation: Actual boost pressure exceeds desired boost pressure by around 200-230mbar (3-3.3 psi) for an extended period of time. The ECU will only restore throttle angle once actual boost pressure falls to at or below the desired boost pressure. |
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==Examples== |
==Examples== |
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[[Throttlecut.csv]] shows a 3rd gear run where the ECU cuts throttle. |
[[Throttlecut.csv]] shows a 3rd gear run where the ECU cuts throttle. |
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Notice the throttle plate angle drops suddenly from 100 to |
Notice the throttle plate angle drops suddenly from 100% to 43%-48% when the deviation goes over ~200mbar. |
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!TIME||RPM||Throttle Plate Angle||Boost Pressure Desired||Boost Pressure Actual||Deviation |
!TIME||RPM||Throttle Plate Angle||Boost Pressure Desired||Boost Pressure Actual||Deviation |
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|497575||4025.75||99.6078431372549||2327.109375||2490.625 |
|497575||4025.75||99.6078431372549||2327.109375||2490.625|| |
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|497645||4046.75||100||2315.1953125||2508.90625||193.7 |
|497645||4046.75||100||2315.1953125||2508.90625||193.7||.9228||1.084 |
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|- style="background:orange; color:white" |
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|497716||4114||100||2302.1484375||2503.0859375||200.9 |
|497716||4114||100||2302.1484375||2503.0859375||200.9||.9201||1.087 |
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|- style="background:red; color:white" |
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|497786||4151.5||99.6078431372549||2271.1328125||2508.2421875||237.1 |
|497786||4151.5||99.6078431372549||2271.1328125||2508.2421875||237.1||.9055||1.104 |
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|- style="background:orange; color:white" |
|- style="background:orange; color:white" |
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|497856||4200.5||45.8823529411765||2263.1640625||2488.203125||225.0 |
|497856||4200.5||45.8823529411765||2263.1640625||2488.203125||225.0||.9100||1.099 |
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|497926||4230||43.921568627451||2248.3984375||2457.65625 |
|497926||4230||43.921568627451||2248.3984375||2457.65625 |
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|500029||5319||100||2227.1875||2166.2109375 |
|500029||5319||100||2227.1875||2166.2109375 |
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==Getting rid of throttle cut== |
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* Find and fix all possible electrical or mechanical causes of overboost - N75 failure, leaking or broken wastegate lines, broken wastegate actuators, etc. |
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* Adjust the [[Tuning#Boost_PID|boost PID]] properly. In particular, if you are modded, reduce KFLDIMX or recalibrate KFLDRL |
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* Adjust the [[Tuning#Throttle cut|ME7.1 requested load maps]] to prevent initial boost spikes, or numb the boost deviation thresholds. Alternately, the maps can be adjusted such that the requested boost is always at or above 200mbar below the hard MAP limit. In the latter case, it is ''strongly'' recommended that an MBC in parallel be used to prevent overboosting, since the ECU can not know how far above MAP limit the manifold pressure is. |
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* Use the "3/4" throttle mod (putting a stopper below the accelerator pedal), which prevents the driver from pushing the throttle to 100%. This, however, can also reduce overall power (not recommended - fix your tune). |
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* Use a [[manual boost controller]] in parallel to set a hard limit on the actual boost (not recommended - fix your tune) |
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* Use a [[throttle cut defender]] to "trick" the ECU into thinking the actual boost is lower than it is (not recommended - fix your tune) |
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[[Category:Tuning]] |
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Latest revision as of 17:26, 13 November 2024
Definition
Throttle cut is any condition which causes the ECU to reduce the throttle plate angle, even if the actual accelerator pedal potentiometer is at WOT.
The two main causes of throttle cut are
- ESP activity (a.k.a. traction control)
- The ECU senses that one or more wheels are losing traction. It does this if ESP is enabled and the ABS wheel sensors show a large discrepancy in wheel speeds.
- Negative boost deviation
- Actual boost pressure exceeds desired boost pressure by around 200-230mbar (3-3.3 psi) for an extended period of time. The ECU will only restore throttle angle once actual boost pressure falls to at or below the desired boost pressure.
Examples
Throttlecut.csv shows a 3rd gear run where the ECU cuts throttle.
Notice the throttle plate angle drops suddenly from 100% to 43%-48% when the deviation goes over ~200mbar.
| TIME | RPM | Throttle Plate Angle | Boost Pressure Desired | Boost Pressure Actual | Deviation | ||
|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|
| 497575 | 4025.75 | 99.6078431372549 | 2327.109375 | 2490.625 | |||
| 497645 | 4046.75 | 100 | 2315.1953125 | 2508.90625 | 193.7 | .9228 | 1.084 |
| 497716 | 4114 | 100 | 2302.1484375 | 2503.0859375 | 200.9 | .9201 | 1.087 |
| 497786 | 4151.5 | 99.6078431372549 | 2271.1328125 | 2508.2421875 | 237.1 | .9055 | 1.104 |
| 497856 | 4200.5 | 45.8823529411765 | 2263.1640625 | 2488.203125 | 225.0 | .9100 | 1.099 |
| 497926 | 4230 | 43.921568627451 | 2248.3984375 | 2457.65625 |
Notice the throttle does not return to 100 until the boost pressure actual returns to almost exactly the boost pressure desired.
| TIME | RPM | Throttle PlateAngle | Boost Pressure Desired | Boost Pressure Actual | Deviation |
|---|---|---|---|---|---|
| 499748 | 5183 | 48.2352941176471 | 2200.546875 | 2222.8515625 | |
| 499819 | 5211 | 48.2352941176471 | 2208.0078125 | 2226.5625 | 18.6 |
| 499889 | 5246.5 | 48.2352941176471 | 2216.2109375 | 2217.34375 | 1.1 |
| 499959 | 5294.5 | 77.6470588235294 | 2220.234375 | 2194.8046875 | -25.4 |
| 500029 | 5319 | 100 | 2227.1875 | 2166.2109375 |
Getting rid of throttle cut
- Find and fix all possible electrical or mechanical causes of overboost - N75 failure, leaking or broken wastegate lines, broken wastegate actuators, etc.
- Adjust the boost PID properly. In particular, if you are modded, reduce KFLDIMX or recalibrate KFLDRL
- Adjust the ME7.1 requested load maps to prevent initial boost spikes, or numb the boost deviation thresholds. Alternately, the maps can be adjusted such that the requested boost is always at or above 200mbar below the hard MAP limit. In the latter case, it is strongly recommended that an MBC in parallel be used to prevent overboosting, since the ECU can not know how far above MAP limit the manifold pressure is.
- Use the "3/4" throttle mod (putting a stopper below the accelerator pedal), which prevents the driver from pushing the throttle to 100%. This, however, can also reduce overall power (not recommended - fix your tune).
- Use a manual boost controller in parallel to set a hard limit on the actual boost (not recommended - fix your tune)
- Use a throttle cut defender to "trick" the ECU into thinking the actual boost is lower than it is (not recommended - fix your tune)